Angela Vassallo (00:02.139)
Hello and welcome to Harmony in the Hustle. I'm so glad you are here today and we have such an amazing guest and I've been a good friend of Emma's for a while and I want to introduce one of my good friends, Emma Walkinshaw. Now Emma is a certified coach. She's the founder of the Embody Me program. She's also a yoga instructor. She's the creator of Morning Magic membership, wholehearted retreat host.
and a speaker and an author. She's an amazing lady who I've known for a while and I'm just so excited to have her on our show today. So welcome Emma, it's great to have you.
Emma Walkinshaw (00:41.058)
Hello Angela, so wonderful to be here. Always great to chat to you. All things business and women in midlife. So I was very excited to be here today.
Angela Vassallo (00:47.696)
Yes.
Yes, and I know so many of my listeners are going to get a lot out of this because I've got a lot of women who are in their 40s and 50s and I know a lot of the stuff that you're doing in your business and what I do in my business, it aligns, you know, it's the same sort of thing. And I think that the more that we talk about body image and you know, our health and wellness and mental health and this whole new transition that we're all going through and the next chapter.
the more that we talk about this and more that it helps so many women. So it's just great. I know that a lot of the listeners will really enjoy what we're about to talk about today. So it'd be awesome. Well, the first question I want to ask you is I know I've been doing your, you have the 21 minutes of morning magic and I've been doing that as well. So.
Emma Walkinshaw (01:26.158)
Hey!
Angela Vassallo (01:38.887)
Can you give us a little bit of a rundown of what that's all about? I know I'm someone that gets up early in the morning, it's been part of my routine for a while. And you know, the first thing I do is I jump on and as many times I've jumped on and seen you live on Facebook and you do your yoga and your meditation and it's just beautiful and it really sets people up for the day. So can I ask what inspired you to start the 21 minutes of morning magic and why is it 21 minutes?
Emma Walkinshaw (02:07.994)
Yes, good question. So it started four years ago. Well, it's actually two years ago. So I need to reverse back. I'm saying two years, four years, six years ago, I opened a yoga studio, and I sold it two years ago. So for four years, I had a yoga studio. And it is that funny thing, the very thing you teach you need to embody yourself. And that was I was running this very busy yoga studio, was reformer pilates.
Angela Vassallo (02:21.35)
Right?
Angela Vassallo (02:30.375)
Yes.
Emma Walkinshaw (02:36.758)
I don't teach Pilates but I teach yoga. And I remember one morning leaving the yoga studio at 7.30 in the morning, had just taught two classes of yoga and thinking, my goodness, I need a morning practice because I'm waking up in the morning. The first thing that I would do at 5 a.m. in the morning was check my phone to make sure the teacher had turned up and make sure that
Angela Vassallo (02:59.613)
Yes.
Emma Walkinshaw (03:01.262)
all, you know, they, the studio was fine and, and people, you know, all the students turned up and I felt like I would wake up in the morning with my foot on the gas straight up. And as a result of that, even though being a yoga teacher, you would think I would know better Angela, but my nervous system was completely blown out. Like I was running on fumes. And as I'm leaving the yoga studio this morning, I thought, gee, I need a morning practice. And we hear it from
Angela Vassallo (03:18.514)
Yeah.
Emma Walkinshaw (03:30.305)
a lot of people that you know a morning practice is a great way to set up your day and and I know that to be true however an hour long practice in the morning often isn't available to everybody for many different reasons. Also you don't need it to be an hour so as I'm leaving the yoga studio this morning I thought to myself
Angela Vassallo (03:41.021)
Hmm.
No. Yes, yes.
Emma Walkinshaw (03:53.195)
I'm going to start just really simply. I love to meditate in the morning. However, if I roll out of bed and I haven't slept well in this beautiful midlife stage, if I haven't slept well, if I start to try and meditate straight away, I fall asleep. yes, so I thought I know what I know about yoga. Yoga ignites our energy centers. Often if we have slept in the morning, maybe we've got a bit of a
Angela Vassallo (04:01.863)
Hmm.
Angela Vassallo (04:08.251)
Yes, I've done that too. I understand that. Yeah.
Angela Vassallo (04:17.329)
Mm-hmm.
Emma Walkinshaw (04:20.462)
crick in the neck, it's really great to do a little bit of movement first. So I thought I'm gonna start the morning with just seven minutes of yoga. Then I'm gonna do seven minutes of meditation and I'm gonna do seven minutes of flow tree which is journaling. And that equates to 21 minutes. Yes. And I also know that
Angela Vassallo (04:34.589)
Beautiful. One minute. Got it.
Emma Walkinshaw (04:41.526)
you know, the myth around it having to be an hour long or having to be this big, lengthy morning practice, if you can do it great, but it doesn't have to be.
Angela Vassallo (04:50.679)
Mm. Doesn't have to be that long, sure.
Emma Walkinshaw (04:54.444)
doesn't have to be. then I started off going, okay, I am going to the other part of it for me was I'm really great at accountability and showing up for other people. So with Yoga Studio, I thought I am going to run this morning practice, but I'm going to do it in a group online for 21 minutes, because I know that if I have told people I'm going to be there, I'll be there.
Angela Vassallo (05:17.724)
Yes.
Emma Walkinshaw (05:18.624)
And that's how it started. So I said to my community at 6 a.m., the mornings that I wasn't teaching at the studio, at 6 a.m. I am going to be live in a group, come and join me if you want to, and accountability. And also the energy of people meditating together is quite profound. There's also been studies around that. There's a whole heart-centered connection that happens.
Angela Vassallo (05:20.669)
Yes.
Angela Vassallo (05:36.935)
Yes.
Angela Vassallo (05:42.813)
Hmm.
Emma Walkinshaw (05:42.991)
And then each evening before I would do the morning magic, I started to write down a theme because a lot of people would say to me, oh, when I meditate my mind wanders. So I go, okay, great. A mantra is really good. It's great to have an anchor statement, just an I am. It could be as simple as I am present. You know, that could be one of them. And then people would say, I've always wanted to journal, but I never know what to journal about. So the night before morning magic, I would just write down the theme for the day, a mantra and then a journaling prompt.
Angela Vassallo (06:04.733)
Hmm.
Angela Vassallo (06:09.233)
Right. Mm-hmm.
Emma Walkinshaw (06:12.206)
And then that's how the very unlikely author that I am, the book came to pass because after a year, I had this book, 365 Days of Morning Magic.
Angela Vassallo (06:17.521)
Yes.
Angela Vassallo (06:23.781)
Yep, of course, you've got all this content, you've got all these fabulous mantras every day.
Emma Walkinshaw (06:29.586)
Yes, so that's how the book came to pass. that and that's, I mean, it's very, very simple. But I think this is a thing that we need to understand about a morning practice. It is simple. It's not to be over complicated. And and the results that women get from just 21 minutes, you're purely just starting your day without reading your emails and launching straight into because we just blow our nervous system out.
Angela Vassallo (06:31.321)
Beautiful.
Angela Vassallo (06:52.956)
Yeah.
Emma Walkinshaw (06:55.97)
We straightaway get into that fight, flight, freeze instead of easing into our day, setting our attention, setting our compass for the day. We do the opposite and then wonder why we're frazzled and fried and exhausted and feel like we've had no time to ourselves. Cause that 21 minutes is such a time bending moment too. It's only 21 minutes, but the gift keeps on giving all day.
Angela Vassallo (06:56.029)
We just.
Angela Vassallo (07:16.175)
It does. thank you so much for sharing that Emma and well done because you're absolutely right with all of this. It's that just that waking up in the morning and I've spoken a lot about this. You just feel like a hamster on a wheel. And I say that sometimes it's not just for a matter of months or a couple of years. This can go on for decades, which it did for me. I used to wake up in the morning and all I remember was just like, go. And I would go and I never did this.
I never stopped and did the meditation in the morning. I didn't do the morning routines. I, you know, I might go out for a jog or a run or I might do a walk, but very rarely would I do meditation and slow down. It was always like boom, boom, boom, boom. Everything was fast. And so my whole life has completely changed by, you know, creating this morning routine and being part of your 21 minutes. It showed me how just setting that up and just doing those nice poses. And you don't have to be like,
what it is for any woman at any age, any size, any fitness level, and you can just start to set yourself up for the day. And I used to love that intention that you would come with. Okay, today's intention is, so I don't even have to think you were doing it for me. You're going, I am, okay, great. Okay, so that's the intention. I'll just let that flow now from that intention. Yeah, and I love the fact that you've created a book from that because you've, like you said, you've been so accountable.
you would turn up whether people were there or not. You've got that beautiful place on the Gold Coast and you know, used to have the know, the sunrise coming and you just you know, start your yoga and then you know, you do the you've got all of that you know, that content there to create this beautiful book. So well done with that because I know your books done so well you had your book launch last year. And you know, it's yeah and well done because that's it. That's a that's a feat in itself. And sometimes I think you would know this is to Emma is like
you did you probably these things evolve you never really start out by thinking you know I want to I want to write a book one day but what a perfect flow on for you to do what you do and then create this beautiful book and journal that came from that so and that's the thing it just starts to evolve and your business starts to grow and you come up with these inspiring ideas and no it's beautiful so um now well done with the whole 21 minutes of morning magic I know a lot of women have gotten a lot out of it especially me too
Emma Walkinshaw (09:37.995)
Yeah, it's great. And that's the thing too, Angela, you and I both know when we do get quiet, that's when our intuition speaks to us when we're so busy, we actually can't hear it. So just that practice of getting quiet. And I feel like that's kind of how the book came to pass too, because I'm very much the unlikely author, I never actually went through life going, I'm going to write a book, I was never that person. However, now I know I've got another book in me. It's so interesting how that just evolves. But that was just getting quiet each morning and
Angela Vassallo (09:46.119)
Yeah. Yep.
Emma Walkinshaw (10:08.0)
you know, I feel like our intuition doesn't give us the whole bakery. It gives us a crumb and then we see the slice of cake, then we maybe see the cake and you know, it evolves that way. But I think getting quiet for me has been a a great chance to listen to my own inner voice of wisdom and not feel like I'm taking inside the outside world.
Angela Vassallo (10:16.325)
Yeah.
Angela Vassallo (10:28.028)
Yeah.
Emma Walkinshaw (10:31.466)
first thing in the morning. Of course that happens, I get on the Instagram and the socials later, but first thing in the morning, I'm listening to me and I feel a lot of women or even men, it's a great way to start your day because tuning that part of you, I know what I know, is very helpful.
Angela Vassallo (10:32.817)
Yes.
Angela Vassallo (10:43.931)
is.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, yeah. No, it's great. And I think also it's with us now in our 40s and 50s, I think it's more important than ever before. But then saying that we also have a bit more time and freedom, because we don't have the young kids that we have to get up, we have to get them dressed, we have to make sure they brush their teeth, pack their bags, you know, around that. that's why I really think it's also very encouraging for young women to hear this mantra, because I didn't do it when my kid was young. And you know, my son,
It also had ADHD. it was like always like something it was just mornings used to be crazy, right? It was a big effort. And now I look at some of these young moms, I think it's really, really important for them maybe just to get that little bit extra like half an hour extra, have that time for yourself and do this like practice for yourself, no matter what age you are, because you know, with young kids, it once the day starts, boom, it just goes and you can just completely lose yourself and then
Next minute, you got your butt on a seat at work and the whole day is like all over the place. yeah, as important it is for us in this age group, I think it's very important still for the young ones with the young kids where they don't have a bit more time, you know?
Emma Walkinshaw (11:54.637)
Yeah, yeah, and even some of the women that join, their kids join with them, which is great. So, and you know, one of the mums says to gosh, you the little boy was climbing over them the whole time, but it didn't matter. And I think to an example for our children showing them it's okay to sit and quiet down as well and journal together and is also great to show them, you know, I often say,
Angela Vassallo (12:01.659)
Yeah, beautiful.
Angela Vassallo (12:16.038)
Yeah.
Hmm.
Emma Walkinshaw (12:21.12)
actions, know, words don't teach, it's our actions with our children. So it's great for them to see it. Yeah.
Angela Vassallo (12:26.565)
Yes. And I think also with setting an intention, you know, like, because when you when you do that, you're setting an intention for the day. And I've always said, you know, your intention will determine your life. So every everything you do, it's, it's like if you, you need to be intentional, because otherwise, you will just go with the, you know, the flow of the day and the wind, like it doesn't matter. So if you can set your day up to be intentional, and focused on something, it's
it will definitely make life so much easier because it will put you in the flow and you become intentional and then you just don't seem to be somebody that has all these sort of problems occur because you've got your intention set and then you've got a bit more flow through the day. Do you find that as well? Your intention is like what will set you up for the day and just sets you up for your life.
Emma Walkinshaw (13:11.758)
Yeah, without a doubt. And it does really set the compass. And if we if we like a little bit of woo woo, then that we attract that in because it's really easy to get into lack and to get into scarcity. Whereas if you've had a morning practice and you've had a little chance to journal and perhaps get a little bit of the trash out of your head and then reroute and look at whether it be appreciation or gratitude, or even you know, what am I actually going for reaffirming that each day because it's easy to set goals and then forget about
Angela Vassallo (13:22.685)
Mm-hmm.
Angela Vassallo (13:41.82)
Hmm.
Emma Walkinshaw (13:42.457)
You know, we set them and then we go, that's right, I had that goal, I forgot that. But a morning practice reminds you each day, hang on a moment, what's important to me. And each one of the journal prompts, and I'll often say if the journal prompt today doesn't work for you, just free write, there is so much power in free writing as well because you're right, it helps you get clear on what you want and how you wanna feel. I'll often ask the question, how do you wanna feel today?
Angela Vassallo (14:01.201)
does. Yes. Yes. Yeah.
Emma Walkinshaw (14:09.088)
We know that we can't control what's happening outside of us, but we do get to choose how we want to feel. And even just that intention in the morning, how do I want to feel today? Even if it's, want to feel calm. So even though when everything could be hitting the fan, you go, hang on a moment. I'm choosing to be calm today. I remember my mantra this morning, it was, am calm or, even confident. I am confident. I am courageous. And that's just, it can be as simple as that.
Angela Vassallo (14:14.684)
Yes.
Angela Vassallo (14:19.869)
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
Mm.
confident, courageous, love it.
Emma Walkinshaw (14:39.202)
that intention to remind yourself, hang on, this is how I'm gonna feel today, no matter what, I am unshakable. And each day doing your practice, that's what builds that muscle. And we hear this all the time and it's like when we go to gym and we wanna build muscle, it doesn't happen once, it's repetition and sometimes just small repetition. Look at your gorgeous morning practice in your sauna with your little hand weights. That's what it is every day, every day. And it doesn't have to be for a long time, it's just every day and then that muscle builds and then,
Angela Vassallo (14:48.167)
Hmm.
Angela Vassallo (14:59.835)
Yes, every day. Yep.
Emma Walkinshaw (15:08.556)
you become quite unshakable because each morning you've set that intention, you've chosen how you want to feel and yeah, you're going to get the wobbles. Of course you are. But yeah.
Angela Vassallo (15:16.829)
Sure, yeah, some days aren't gonna be great, yeah, the closer you are to being intentional and the closer you are to a routine, and once you set those habits, daily habits, then the easier it becomes. And I love everything you're sharing here because, you know, being vulnerable, I'll talk a little bit about my whole body, you know, image for me, because, you know, going through menopause, I had put on a lot of weight, I had...
Emma Walkinshaw (15:30.296)
Yeah.
Angela Vassallo (15:44.763)
like a lot of inflammation in my body. had a lot of cortisol. I wasn't sleeping well. No matter what I did, I could not lose weight. So everything that I was used to doing didn't work anymore. A lot of women go through this in menopause and premenopause. And I just thought my body won't allow me to run anymore. It won't allow me to do this cardio in this, and I just didn't want to. So I think when I set this morning intention up to just say, okay, this is more about me and my mental health now. This is more about me slowing down and
taking time. So then I just thought I'm going to go into doing these, you know, this morning routine with you. And then I go into the sauna and I would just do handwakes, just like things. I do things like that. And I would stretch my body and I would listen to a podcast and I'd do a meditation. And then I included started to include some water. Like, so I started going into the pool, like it was cold, but it was like my version of a cold plunge. then, yeah, but in that, before I even just started the day, by the time I got out,
I felt great. And I thought, wow, if I can do this every day, and then everything started to change, I started to lose a bit more of that puffiness, that cortisol face you can get, I started the inflammation started to come out of body, the stress started to sort of release and I was setting myself up. So I can't believe, know, 52 now that it's taken me this long to kind of find a practice that has worked and that sets me up for the day. So I'm a big believer of it. And I think
Do you find a lot of women that you are, you know, you've got your body love bootcamp that you have, and I know you're so empowering to help women, you know, accept their bodies and look after themselves and that type of thing. talk to me a little bit about the body love bootcamp, because I feel that like, like I said, you know, we go through so much in menopause and perimenopause with our bodies and they don't function like they used to. We can't do what we used to do.
And now you're such an inspiration, empowerment for women. So talk to me about what you're finding with women through this stage and how you're helping them.
Emma Walkinshaw (17:48.503)
Yeah, so my Achilles heel, my whole life has been my body and my perceived image about myself, which is you're a big girl, you've always been a big girl, you are overweight, know, I started diets, I think the first diet I went on was like 14 years age, I've done Jenny Craig weight, every single diet under the sun. And then when I got to my late 30s,
Angela Vassallo (17:55.953)
Mm. Yep.
Angela Vassallo (18:11.078)
Yeah.
Emma Walkinshaw (18:14.668)
And you know, Angela, it's one of those funny things. You look back and you go, goodness gracious, I wasn't a big girl. I was probably a mid-sized woman. But this is the, you know, the world that we live in, particularly Western women, white Western women who have grown up with the Dolly magazine, the Cleo, the Cosmopolitan, the Woman's Weekly, the New Idea. The diet culture has done an absolute number on us. They have constantly told us that we are inadequate.
Angela Vassallo (18:19.951)
No. No, I know.
Angela Vassallo (18:26.503)
Yes. Yes.
Angela Vassallo (18:38.746)
it has.
Angela Vassallo (18:42.876)
Yes.
Emma Walkinshaw (18:43.206)
and that we are broken and we need fixing and we're never quite good enough. And then years of confusion, low fat, no fat, keto, paleo, Atkins diet, you the list goes on. know, our women who are listening, they go, gosh, I've been on every diet under the sun. Yeah, and that was my story up until my late thirties, early forties, when I really started to wise up and go, I'm a smart woman. I'm a very smart woman.
Angela Vassallo (18:58.461)
They don't have more. Yep.
and
Angela Vassallo (19:09.283)
Mm. Yeah, you are.
Emma Walkinshaw (19:11.15)
How is it that I haven't been able to crack this code of the body? What is that? Why is it that I've tried every single thing under the sun and I just cannot get this under control? Let's call it, yo-yo dieting. then through my, and I started the 200 hour yoga teaching process, because I was already a life coach then, but I knew that
Angela Vassallo (19:15.485)
Yeah.
Angela Vassallo (19:24.029)
Sure. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
Emma Walkinshaw (19:39.001)
during my coaching and my group coaching with women, that there was a missing piece and that was connection to the body. So now my methodology is very much around mindset, meditation and movement. I feel like we can't have one without the other and mine just happens to be yoga, but it can be any kind of movement at all because emotion gets trapped in the body. And I also say we cannot punish ourself thin.
Angela Vassallo (19:42.033)
Mm-hmm.
Angela Vassallo (20:00.498)
Yes.
Emma Walkinshaw (20:06.486)
We cannot do, you know, we have done so much. We can't shame ourself thin. We can't punish ourself thin. And that's been very much the diet culture and beauty standards. And just this whole notion that you are just not good enough unless you're thin. And for a woman too, we've also been raised that a man can become powerful and
Angela Vassallo (20:07.015)
So, yep.
Angela Vassallo (20:15.995)
Yes.
Emma Walkinshaw (20:32.174)
have grey hair and look like he's distinguished, but for a woman, God forbid, if we're to go grey and age, we're used by, you all she's let herself go if she goes grey. Because our power comes from being young, beautiful and slender. Once we're past that, we're redundant. A man, he always holds his power and he can always have that distinguished grey hair and some shiny shoes and a nice watch. But for a woman,
Angela Vassallo (20:37.509)
Hi.
Angela Vassallo (20:42.557)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Angela Vassallo (20:48.572)
Yes.
Emma Walkinshaw (20:59.182)
she has been told that she has a certain use by and that's when we get into midlife, which is absolutely not true. I know that there's women like you and I are really re-educating and the rise of the midlife woman is wonderful. But I think about my own journey starting yoga. And I remember when I started out teaching yoga, excuse me, training to be a yoga teacher, even though I thought I'm not gonna teach yoga, I'm just gonna use it in my coaching because I feel like we need to.
Angela Vassallo (21:09.873)
Yes. Yes. Yes.
Emma Walkinshaw (21:26.892)
get connected to our body again. You I would be coaching women through things and they would have such a dissociation with their body, even so much so Angela, appetite. And you're speaking to women out there now, years of dieting has us disconnect with our appetite. We are so used to, and I say we, I'm speaking about myself. I was so used to getting to the end of day and being hungry and saying, just go to bed. You can't eat anymore, go to bed.
Angela Vassallo (21:28.988)
Yes.
Angela Vassallo (21:54.406)
Right, yeah.
Emma Walkinshaw (21:55.413)
not even being connected to the body around appetite and knowing when you're full and when you're not and then messing with yourself with diet and now you know we've got a rise at the moment of all different kinds of weight loss drugs that are suppressing your appetite but all of these things really affect a woman and really affect her body image because she feels like then she's also a failure because she can't even stick to the diet or she can't lose the weight.
Angela Vassallo (22:11.825)
Yep.
Angela Vassallo (22:23.965)
So true.
Emma Walkinshaw (22:24.322)
When a lot of it in my body love bootcamp, a lot of it is really the mindset stuff and starting to undo beliefs that we have had. And I'm sure the women listening right now have got so many rules that they don't realize they have. And it might be around bread or cheese or certain eating at certain times or because we've totally denied ourselves. We've given our power away. And this was my story. had thrown, so I would throw money at everything and it would be
Angela Vassallo (22:32.818)
Yeah.
Angela Vassallo (22:39.644)
Yes.
Emma Walkinshaw (22:53.63)
next diet, next program, next personal trainer, next gym, next regime, because fix me because I'm broken. But the problem with that is when you're giving your power away, you're never actually being empowered, because you are putting your whole well being in someone else's hands and never really connecting with what you need and who you want, whether it be appetite, the little inkling that says to you, today, you actually need to move, you've got a lot of energy, you actually need to move.
Angela Vassallo (22:59.686)
Yes.
Angela Vassallo (23:06.045)
you
Angela Vassallo (23:21.725)
Mm.
Emma Walkinshaw (23:22.254)
Is that on the program? Or you flog yourself and then you're too tired. Like I was all out of whack. So the yoga, starting to become a yoga teacher, which wasn't the process. It was just my own journey for my coaching. And then I thought, yes, I am going to be a yoga teacher. Well, the woman that taught me yoga said to me, you're going to teach for me, aren't you, Em? And I said, no, I'm not. And she said, you're going to teach me? No, I'm not. And then I finished my 200 hours and someone didn't show up at the studio to teach. She rang me and said, will you go and teach? And I went, oh God, I'll go.
Angela Vassallo (23:27.986)
Yeah.
Emma Walkinshaw (23:51.887)
But the thing was Angela, for me being a size and at that time I'm probably a size 16 now, then I was a size 14 and I can remember being terrified standing in front of a room of other people as a size 14 and saying, I probably don't really look like a yoga teacher and I don't belong here. I have a beautiful yoga practice. However, in my mind, I had such poor body image that it was terrifying just to do that, but courage.
Angela Vassallo (24:12.018)
Yeah.
Emma Walkinshaw (24:20.812)
I got the courage and I said, this isn't about me. This is about guiding people through a beautiful practice. This is not what yoga is. It is not about the body. It's about coming home to yourself, arriving on your mat. It's not about perfection. It's not about competition. This is a beautiful spiritual practice that is wonderful for the body. So my process of becoming a yoga teacher has really helped me heal my relationship with my body.
Angela Vassallo (24:47.335)
Mmm.
Emma Walkinshaw (24:47.798)
And then when I opened the yoga studio, it used to astound me how many women would walk into the yoga studio and apologize for their body. Before we'd even started the class, I would hear things like, I'm not really good at yoga, but I'm here. I'm not very flexible. I've put on a lot of weight. I'm this, I'm that. A lot of women just are constantly apologizing for their body. Yeah, like how...
Angela Vassallo (24:56.871)
in.
Angela Vassallo (25:11.681)
bodies. Yeah. Yes, I guess it's, it's beautiful. Everything you've just said is amazing. And I know so many people can relate to it, no matter what size you are. And I think the work that you're doing, even just talking about it and the body love bootcamp, you must see so many transformations and breakthroughs. And you're giving women permission to accept who they are. And we don't have to
I believe so much has changed too. So much hasn't, but so much has, right? And I think that what you're doing and the approach that you're taking with all of it is very powerful because you're just talking about what you've been through the whole process of all the diets. And like I said, it doesn't matter what size you are, you can still feel like, do I look fat in this? Do I feel like, you and you know, just even that mindset of just feeling like you have to apologize. And I feel like so many women do that.
Emma Walkinshaw (25:45.304)
Yes.
Angela Vassallo (26:10.649)
not just about their way. Sorry for breathing, sorry for being born, sorry for being here, sorry for my hair's not, sorry I haven't got my makeup on today, sorry, sorry, sorry, right? And the more that you hear that, it's like, we've got to stop saying sorry, sorry for all of it. Like, no, we just have to turn up and just, here we are. but our first thought is stand there and apologize for something before we start in front of people. And the reality is no one even saw it. No one was even thinking it.
Emma Walkinshaw (26:20.109)
Yes.
Emma Walkinshaw (26:33.41)
Yeah.
Angela Vassallo (26:39.451)
Everyone just saw you and was happy to see you and can't wait for, you know, to do what you do, teach the class. And no one's thinking any of stuff, but in our heads, we're thinking, are they looking at, they, is it this, is it that, you know? So I think as women, it's really, it's that self-awareness to stop apologizing for everything. And we all do it. And I think the more we do this sort of work and understand we all feel it and we're all like,
Emma Walkinshaw (26:59.523)
Yeah.
Angela Vassallo (27:08.433)
got our own kind of, you know, issues going on, like, you know, self-esteem issues, self-worth issues, but the more you work on that and build that up, it's really important because I think we look at you, Emma, and I see you as such a confident, beautiful woman, such a kind person, kind-hearted, kind spirit, and, you know, intelligent businesswoman, run, you know, yoga studios, have your own business, helping, doing all these incredible things out there that nobody even sees that. But then again, you've
that's this thing playing in the back of your head that it's really interesting that these stories we tell each other. And I think that's the sort of stuff that yoga helps you sort of stay calm, connect to yourself and let a lot of that go. So yeah.
Emma Walkinshaw (27:50.029)
Yeah, yeah, it is a healing journey. And Angela, don't believe, I get a little bit, you know, we hear lots about self care and self love. And I don't know, I'm certainly not self love, but what I am closer to these days is self respect. And I feel that's a great place to land because years of self loathing, it's really hard to jump to self love. It's a massive step.
Angela Vassallo (28:06.621)
Mm-hmm.
I guess.
Angela Vassallo (28:16.861)
Hmm.
Emma Walkinshaw (28:16.942)
And it can be a bit, self-love, just love yourself. you know, for me, when people say that, it's like it's really, how do you, yes, exactly, tell me how.
Angela Vassallo (28:22.855)
sure, how do you get there? Like, how do you like, yeah, we're not growing up to sort of be like that. But I think self respect is a great place to start. And if you can teach your daughter self respect as well.
Emma Walkinshaw (28:29.836)
No? Yeah.
Yeah, and then if we think about self-respect, like what's the how of self-respect, your beautiful morning practice, seeing you in the sauna, in the pool, your weights, taking a walk, that's self-respect. That's not self-love. When you respect yourself enough, you will take care of her. It's almost like love, know, potentially I hope one day that, you know, I can arrive there and women can arrive there, but I feel like self-respect. And then the other new layer of self-respect,
Angela Vassallo (28:44.988)
Yes.
Angela Vassallo (28:48.432)
Yeah, you're right.
Hmm.
Angela Vassallo (28:59.421)
Mm.
Emma Walkinshaw (29:04.67)
is for me self-reliance. You rely on yourself Emma because years of giving away my power to diets and giving away my power to personal trainers and regimes and all this business. No Emma, no one is going to get your ass out of bed in the morning but you so you rely on yourself. Yeah, so I feel like, yeah so for women listening if self-love talk also gets you a little bit annoyed.
Angela Vassallo (29:23.023)
Rely on yourself. Yep. I love that. So true.
Angela Vassallo (29:33.361)
Yeah.
Emma Walkinshaw (29:34.457)
think about self-respect and self-reliance and back to that morning practice, that is really self-respect and self-reliance. If I can take 21 minutes, 10 minutes, five minutes just for me in the morning to think about my intention and how I wanna feel, that's the first step to building a better relationship with yourself and your body. And that's been a lot of my work is helping women rebuild trust.
Angela Vassallo (29:48.039)
Hmm.
Angela Vassallo (29:55.74)
Yeah.
Emma Walkinshaw (30:00.365)
with themself and their body again, because a lot of us have distrusted our body. And particularly when we get to midlife, exactly what you said, Angela, we're going through these changes. And here's where we're tested again, where we don't quite trust our body when this is a very normal thing that is happening. It doesn't feel great a lot of the time. However, it's actually, it's a process and it's okay. Instead of pushing against it.
Angela Vassallo (30:13.521)
Test it again.
Thank
Angela Vassallo (30:24.743)
Okay.
Emma Walkinshaw (30:27.488)
reconciling with it and just leaning into that I'm gonna respect her even more now. I'm gonna really rely on myself even more now because we can. We've got time. The kids, like we say, the kids aren't here. So it really is a time in our life to really up that self-respect. I believe.
Angela Vassallo (30:29.393)
Hmm.
Angela Vassallo (30:37.149)
Mm.
Angela Vassallo (30:45.647)
I love that. Yeah, no, I really admire that and I can, I can probably see that's probably what I'm doing now. And I think that's a great place to start as well. Because if you can't get past it, I think if you come in and like you're worried about you you wait and you're worried about all these things as we do, especially in this 40s and 50s. If you can start at this place of just I'm going to do this out of self respect for myself, forget the rest of it.
I'm going to do this. I'm going to do the meditation. I'm going to focus on this because I respect who I am and myself and I'm just going to, if this helps me, then that's going to be a good thing and start there. Yeah. No, I love that. That's really, really great. It's big. Yeah. And I think there's so much it's, out there now. It's about the metaphors, about the forties and the fifties, about the transitions and everything that we go through. But I'm also seeing, feel
Emma Walkinshaw (31:23.278)
Yeah. Yeah.
Angela Vassallo (31:40.027)
more women are more disconnected from themselves than ever before at this age, because we are going through so many crazy things and we don't know sometimes who we are and we can start the day and you kind of like, I used to say like, I'm not happy, I'm not sad, but I'm kind of somewhere in the middle. It's like this weird numb feeling. Do you know what I mean? And it's like, and that's where you have to go get your hormones checked and work out.
Emma Walkinshaw (31:59.663)
Yeah.
Angela Vassallo (32:04.401)
you know, where you sit on the level of your estrogen, your progesterone and your testosterone, all these things that we have to go through to just to stay like sane in a lot of ways to keep ourselves getting up every day and moving forward in a positive way. But I think that, you know, once you can kind of, you've got to, you've got to take that time to look after yourself. And again, just going and figuring out what my next steps are with my health is a level of self-respect too. So I think more and more women are doing that now.
Emma Walkinshaw (32:30.157)
Yeah.
Angela Vassallo (32:32.539)
you know, just taking those baby steps to look after themselves because we don't have all the answers. You know, a lot of people don't have the, you've got to figure these things out and comes down to that self-reliance. It's a great word, you know, and I do, I really believe that, you know, just taking stock of your life and who you are and you know, just, it comes down to you relying on yourself because everybody's different. Yeah.
Emma Walkinshaw (32:32.717)
Yes.
Emma Walkinshaw (32:37.912)
Yeah.
Emma Walkinshaw (32:56.268)
Yeah, that's it. And it's not the path of ease. God, don't we all just want to pay someone, give me the checklist, tell me what to do and I'll just do it. We all want that, but it's not the case. It is our time to self-explore and try different things. And as long as it's with kindness, like I mentioned, we've done so many years of the punishment and the shaming ourself, but it's just coming back to what's the most.
Angela Vassallo (33:05.127)
sure.
No.
Emma Walkinshaw (33:26.038)
respectful thing I can do for myself. I don't want to punish her. I don't want to shame her. Here we are. What do we need to do? What's the next step forward? Yeah.
Angela Vassallo (33:27.729)
Hmm.
Angela Vassallo (33:32.125)
Yeah. Beautiful. And you I just want to talk about your what you've done your mission. I know you've you've but you also do these incredible retreats where you take women to India and you just got back on Monday. You just got back from India and so you talk women over there. So talk to me a little bit about that. Are you finding when you
Emma Walkinshaw (33:49.23)
Yes.
Angela Vassallo (33:54.833)
take women and you get them out of their environment, they go over there and they literally define that they're finding themselves, connecting to themselves again, they're going down that spiritual path. I can only imagine that India, I've never been there, it's such a spiritual, amazing place that you can't imagine, like it would be like, yeah, you would probably find that would just be such an incredible journey for women to go on. So talk to me about what you're finding on why you do these retreats.
Emma Walkinshaw (34:19.7)
Yes, so I co-facilitate with a dear friend, Yogi Louie, and of course we're both yoga teachers and we love the spiritual journey and transformation. So I would definitely say the women that start on the trip with us, it is a complete, I mean, I have an unraveling and unfolding the whole way through too. So yes, India is incredibly spiritual and the journey that we go on, we weave a lot of personal development into the trip as well.
Angela Vassallo (34:39.367)
Yeah.
Yes.
Angela Vassallo (34:49.178)
Okay, great.
Emma Walkinshaw (34:49.534)
So Yogi Lui, yes, she is a yoga practitioner around yoga healing. So she has a, it's a different kind of yoga. I guess you could say per se there's different, I guess you could say modalities that she uses in her yoga. And of course I'm all around body confidence and building a better relationship with your body. So that's the tone of our trip as well. And then as we journey through India,
We start our day each morning with a morning practice and then we'll go and do the sight sounds and sensations of India. And we do the golden triangle, which is a very classic yoga route, which is Agra, which is the Taj Mahal, Delhi, Jaipur. But we also tack on, which isn't in the golden triangle. And we go up to Rishikesh, which is right on the Ganges, the mother Ganga. And it is a pretty powerful place. It's at the foothills of the Himalayas.
And it's just incredible. And there it's just deeply spiritual. The Beatles ashram is there, the ashram that the Beatles went to in the sixties. So there's a couple of ashrams there. It's very, very cool. So during this process, we go on a little bit of a journey and it really is an unraveling. I think about all of that, so my intention for this, I have an intention for each retreat.
Angela Vassallo (35:52.633)
wow, how cool.
Emma Walkinshaw (36:09.294)
Yogi-Lui has an intention, I have an intention. So my intention for this retreat was to really lean into awe and wonder. So wherever we are, be in awe and be in wonder. So that was our whole theme and the feedback's coming back, because all the women, we're all back now and of course we put our feedback, but listening to them, I mean yesterday, Angel, I'm in tears reading the shifts the women have had and the things that they learn about themselves.
Angela Vassallo (36:20.838)
Love that.
Angela Vassallo (36:32.76)
I imagine. I could imagine.
Emma Walkinshaw (36:37.792)
And if I talk about the woman that comes with us, she usually has the husband that has no desire to come to India. He's like, that's for you darling, go for it. It's mother and daughter. We've had, I think we've had now five mother and daughter combos come with us. So that is beautiful and unique in itself. Having, we talk a lot in, I don't know if you know, are you familiar with Joan Hardwick-Collins work?
Angela Vassallo (36:47.836)
Mm.
Emma Walkinshaw (37:05.294)
Harvest woman and she talks about the stages of women which is the maiden which is the woman in her twenties. So maiden is associated with the spring and it's frivolous and fancy free. Then you go into mother which is summer and the mother is the engine room of life where you're chopping a lot of wood carrying a lot of water and it's but it's like summer. It's the red lipstick is ovulation. It's vibrancy.
And then you go into mega phase, which is you and I, which is the wise woman and she's now in autumn. So she's got this wisdom and she's got this sturdiness, but she's not chopping wood and carrying water anymore. And she hasn't got the innocence of the maiden. And then you move into crone phase, which is, and it sounds terrible crone phase, but wise woman, which is winter, the grandmother, the woman who then is there to listen and to hold space for everyone, but is rock solid.
Angela Vassallo (37:50.909)
if
Emma Walkinshaw (38:00.535)
So we talk about this in, yes, it's a great, so Joan Hardwick Collins, her beautiful book is incredible. It goes way more into detail than I have. So we talk about our retreats and we'll often have a maiden and a maga. And then we'll have a crone and we'll have heaps of, know, so we talk about that, about different stages, because each one of us will have a different experience in India as to what stage we're at. Yeah, so we have a lot of maga women, which is,
Angela Vassallo (38:02.661)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Angela Vassallo (38:23.709)
They are it in their life, yeah, beautiful.
Emma Walkinshaw (38:29.842)
our age and they are there because they haven't got they've got you know their responsibility is less and they're back to this carefree stage so the joy and the fun and the connection the realness and the rawness on these trips are incredible the connections that are made and then the yes and then the experiences that we have it is just such a richness you know these retreats i always say we have a divine appointment and each
Angela Vassallo (38:47.385)
imagine. Yeah.
Angela Vassallo (38:58.983)
Beautiful, divine appointment. love that too, it's beautiful.
Emma Walkinshaw (38:59.412)
woman that comes on this retreat, we it's written in the stars. We're there for a reason. It's incredible. Yeah, they're ready for it. Yeah. And the unraveling and the unfolding happens on retreat. you know, it was interesting, you know, the women I ran the body acceptance workshop, the little building a better relationship with our body. And it was funny how
Angela Vassallo (39:06.361)
Already. Yep. They were ready for it.
Emma Walkinshaw (39:28.162)
you with you alluded to this before, Angela, when you said, all of us have got it doesn't matter what size you are. Like, it's not just the bigger woman, the small, like all of us have got it. And we were there and we were sharing, we're just sharing a little bit about our body story and our belief systems. We're just having everyone's got a body story. And we were talking about the body, you the body story and, two women were friends in the group and
Angela Vassallo (39:42.077)
Hmm.
Emma Walkinshaw (39:50.625)
One of them looked at it, one of them shared how she felt about her body. And the other one looked at her and cried and said, my God, I have known you for so long and never knew that you felt that about yourself. Because we carry this silent, this silent torture and torment that we are constantly not enough or our, you know, it's our freckles, our bum's too big, our boobs are saggy, our nose, our, I don't know, whatever the body story is.
Angela Vassallo (40:00.445)
Yeah, right. Wow.
Angela Vassallo (40:07.73)
Mm.
Angela Vassallo (40:18.855)
whatever it is, yeah.
Emma Walkinshaw (40:20.12)
that was often inserted when we were quite young. You know, a question I love to ask women, were you given a nickname as a child about your body? Often we have been, and I tell my story, so my nickname as a child was given to me by my uncle and it was Miss Piggy. And everyone was going, God, yeah, Miss Piggy. And years later,
Angela Vassallo (40:23.666)
Yes.
Angela Vassallo (40:30.683)
Hmm.
Angela Vassallo (40:39.857)
nice. Nice. Thanks, Uncle.
Emma Walkinshaw (40:45.376)
I questioned it and I said to my auntie, said, why did he call me Miss Piggy? And she said, when you were little, you had this beautiful blonde curly hair and used to flick your hair. at the time I used to love to watch the Muppets and Miss Piggy would always flick her hair. So he nicknamed me that, but me as a child, I thought, cause I was a little pig, a little fatty. Yeah.
Angela Vassallo (41:02.749)
You it was white, you thought it was a pig, yep, and it was a hare. There's a hare all along. Isn't that interesting?
Emma Walkinshaw (41:07.246)
And I never knew that. So how many times has someone made a comment about our body and we've taken it on one way but it was actually intended in another. But we never clear that up and we just carry that through our lives.
Angela Vassallo (41:17.563)
Yes, yes, yes. No, we just have that story running in our heads all our lives. Yeah.
Emma Walkinshaw (41:26.048)
Yeah, so it's the story. you're in our group on this beautiful retreat as well as seeing India and experiencing the food and the culture and the chaotic messiness and the brightness and all that India has to offer. We're going on this transformation while we're retreating.
Angela Vassallo (41:40.688)
Yeah.
Wow, going through it, learning about yourself as you're going through it and what a perfect place for all of that to unravel and to go through in a safe place and women can talk about it and wow.
Emma Walkinshaw (41:53.655)
Yeah, yeah, incredibly joyful. So the retreats are just phenomenal. I love when we get in an immersion and we're in a container with women because I love one-on-one coaching without a doubt, I love my one-on-one clients, but I also know that group collective energy pushes you forward exponentially because,
Angela Vassallo (42:11.185)
Yeah.
Angela Vassallo (42:17.541)
women in a group, something magical happens, doesn't it? When one shares and people are vulnerable and they find a safe place to share, they can open up and they can, you know, just, yeah. And then they realize, look, I'm not the only one that feels like this. Everybody's got something, you know? And I think it's really interesting. it's the family dynamics can be very interesting around weight as well. And I think, like you said, you touched on the growing up as kids. And I think...
Emma Walkinshaw (42:33.079)
Yeah. Yeah.
Angela Vassallo (42:45.261)
know, Australian families, we all used to pick on each other. I don't know about you, but in our family, dad would say something or, you know, if you put on weight, dad, my dad would just say, well, stop shoving food in your face and go for a jog. Like that was all it was. Like, of course that was so everything, stop eating, go for a jog. But you know, in lot of ways he's right. But I mean, that's interesting. And I think, you know, I've, when I was putting on weight with the whole menopause thing, I remember my sister-in-law who's
as a fiddle, right? And never put on weight through menopause and she's slim and she trains all the time. I remember her saying, you know, to my husband and I, like, you know, you've both, well, you've both put on weight over dinner one night. And I thought to myself, oh my God, I was so embarrassed. thought, I know I've put on weight. Like, I think when people say, when people say to you, you've put on weight, my first thought was, don't you think I know that? Thanks for that. Like, I don't have a mirror at home. I know. I can see it.
Like, I think you've got to be so careful by saying to someone you put on weight, what is the intention behind that? Because like, you know yourself when you've put on weight, don't you? You know that if you're not, you don't need someone telling you that. may not be some, it may not be to sort of hurt somebody, but I think sometimes it's like when you do talk about weight to someone, you've got to be careful because it's like they do, they have mirrors, they're putting their own pants on. They know that, you know, where they are.
Emma Walkinshaw (44:06.242)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Angela Vassallo (44:09.383)
They know where they sit. And yeah, I think it's about, you know, being conscious of that because yeah, and like you said, all that stuff from the past and the kids and the comments and that, it just has an impact in your life.
Emma Walkinshaw (44:21.262)
Yeah, do hope, that we can get to a point where people don't feel like they have to comment on your body. I really hope we can get to that place because, and you know, I feel like in a lot of ways, you know, when we, particularly social media perpetuates this behavior too, if I see one more good photo, bad photo, one fat skinny photo, look at me before, look at me now, you know, the skinny photo, then the fat photo, the skinny photo, the fat photo.
Angela Vassallo (44:28.015)
No. Yeah. Yeah.
Angela Vassallo (44:43.132)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm. Sure. Yep.
Emma Walkinshaw (44:50.238)
If I see one more of those, I will scream, because I think to myself, what about when you put on weight, because it could happen? Are we going to see your fat and then your skinny? Like, stop it. And I actually follow a woman who has had quite a lot of dramatic weight loss. Like she's had a lot of weight loss. And I absolutely love her approach. And her podcast title was Ask Me Anything, Even About My Weight. She gets on the podcast and she says,
Angela Vassallo (44:58.085)
Yes.
Angela Vassallo (45:14.663)
Mm-hmm.
Emma Walkinshaw (45:18.102)
Actually, I'm not gonna talk about my weight, because it has absolutely nothing to do with what I do in business. So let's not talk about it, because I've been every shape in my life. I've had three children, I could be bigger, I could be smaller. And the truth is how I help women in business and how I work with people has got nothing to do with my body. So please don't ask me, because I'm not gonna talk about it, because it's just irrelevant. And I love that attitude. Isn't that brilliant?
Angela Vassallo (45:28.145)
Mm. Mm.
Angela Vassallo (45:39.431)
Yeah, love that, love that. I love that and I think also, even now in businesses as we are and they speak a lot about, if you want to be successful in business online, it's about building your own personal brand. And what I love seeing more and I do a lot more of that and I love seeing women do it all the time is like, focus on your mindset. Like, okay, this is where I was, I was too scared to get on the stage. I was like, dying inside.
And hey, look at me now. Now I'm be able to, can do, I still have nervousness and I still feel like this, but I pushed through so much, so many of my things to get there. That's what we want to know. We don't care how, you know, we don't care what size your pants are or size your dress is. We want to know what the battle you went through in here, the courage it took for you to get up there and empower yourself so you can stand there and make an impact in somebody's life. That's the stuff that's inspiring. The weight loss, sure.
Emma Walkinshaw (46:32.578)
Yeah. Yeah.
Angela Vassallo (46:34.597)
Sure, it's like inspiring too, but it's on a different level. It's more, wanna see more of how you've been able to change your life with your, you know, your whole becoming the person you were meant to be, living your full potential, rising up to be this woman that you were destined to be. So you can lead and then you can also inspire others to do the same. That's the stuff I love seeing. And you don't even look at someone's weight. It's more about who they are and who they've become inside themselves because they've lived to their fullest potential.
Emma Walkinshaw (46:47.47)
Yeah. Yeah.
Emma Walkinshaw (47:03.992)
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, because when and I'll speak from my own experience when your weight and the dieting and all the different yo-yos you've done in a life. It's it and this is my own experience. It's actually it's not great when you do lose weight and people talk about it. And then when you put on weight, people says nothing because you just set yourself up for them this story then that just becomes the focus and people want to talk about that with you because it's been such a thing that you've always talked about. I'm on a diet I can't do you know and
Angela Vassallo (47:04.443)
I think that's the difference.
Angela Vassallo (47:28.605)
That's right.
Yeah. Yeah.
Emma Walkinshaw (47:33.271)
there's a point where you just don't it's a very private thing and I just don't feel as women it's helpful to talk about and comment on our bodies because like you said Angela don't you when when someone in the family says to you you know you've put a weight and you're going yeah don't you think I know that I'm already in my own process here I don't need to hear that like you say I'd rather than comment and say gosh Angela isn't it wonderful you know your keynotes speak your the
Angela Vassallo (47:36.989)
with it.
Angela Vassallo (47:41.628)
No.
Angela Vassallo (47:52.987)
Yes. Yes.
Emma Walkinshaw (48:01.667)
books you've written, isn't this wonderful? The change you're making in the world, it's got nothing to do with your, like you say, your pant size. It's irrelevant. When are we gonna stop that? Because all it does is it just keeps reinforcing as a woman, unless you're thin, you are worth it and you're a success. If you're overweight, you've let yourself go, you're lazy, you da da. When we know that it's a mindset thing and there's a whole other things going on there.
Angela Vassallo (48:08.217)
Exactly.
Angela Vassallo (48:26.341)
Yeah, no, that's so true. And I think the more that we share this, the more you see women rising successful. And I just, I see more of it now and I love it. It's because it's more of inspiration. It's this, they're empowering themselves to do great things in the world. And it's not about anything else. It's about what they're achieving as a person and the growth. Yeah. And how they help people, know, how they're of service, you know, what they're manifesting into their life, the difference that they're doing. And, you know, I just think that's
Emma Walkinshaw (48:44.546)
Yeah, yeah, how they help people. Yeah.
Angela Vassallo (48:55.815)
just more of that sort of stuff we talk about the better it is. But I am seeing a shift, I don't know about you, but I am seeing a shift in this culture, this body stuff and I think body image. I think it's almost like I talk about it to this identity shift. It's a level of an identity shift now. I think it's about this whole health and wellness and this Pilates and this yoga and this calming and this alignment more than this.
physical hardcore training and all of that. It's more of that calm alignment that people are searching for and looking for. And that allows them to be able to rise up to the person that they wanna be. then there's all those benefits that come with that. yeah, no, but it's been a great chatting to you today, Emma. You're really inspiration. I know you're doing so many incredible things for women out there and really helping transform people's lives. mean, one day I'd really love to...
get on one of your Indian tours of retreats. I definitely would do that at one point because I think that would be really inspirational and I'd love to, very powerful. So I'm gonna look into that too, but thanks for everything that you're doing out there in the world for women, body image, yoga and just the whole, the calmness and everything in the alignment. So congratulations to you for all of that.
Emma Walkinshaw (50:18.574)
Thank you.
Angela Vassallo (50:18.735)
And I also want to ask you, how can people get in contact with you? Do you have any of your events coming up or any more of your retreats or I know maybe we'll put a link into the show notes as well. And I want people to actually, you know, check out your 21 minutes of magic, morning magic as well. Maybe to come in and check that out.
Emma Walkinshaw (50:33.966)
Yeah.
Yes, absolutely. So the best place probably to find me is Instagram and it's Emma Walkinshaw, but I know you put the link in the show notes. Yeah, tremendous. And yes, come and join 21 Minutes Morning Magic. The book too, if you, I mean, you can practice with me and join the Morning Magic membership or you can just get the book and practice yourself. And I have got India, there is an India retreat.
Angela Vassallo (50:44.029)
We're gonna put all that in the show notes too, yeah.
Emma Walkinshaw (51:01.974)
Right now I'm just taking everybody's names because we're still working on the itinerary, but it will be November. It looks like it's November the fourth. And then there will be another one in March. So the one in November, we've added a new little India repertoire in. So the one in November is actually the South of India, Kerala, and it is tigers, tea and Ayurveda. So Ayurveda is another incredible Indian practice, which is all around.
Angela Vassallo (51:08.315)
Okay.
Angela Vassallo (51:13.191)
Yes.
Emma Walkinshaw (51:28.064)
It's really great for your wellbeing, your hormones. So you work out what your dosha is. And then we've got an incredible Ayurvedic doctor in India that we went and seen when we were there, that will take us through some, it's around balancing hormones, stress release, and looking at any use of it before inflammation in the body. And then they do it through a medicinal way, which is wonderful. So that's a component. And then the other bit is we do the tea plantations and also the tigers.
in India, but as I mentioned, weaved into that is this personal development. We really go on this wholehearted journey where there is an unraveling. So that's November this year, 2025, and then, yeah, which will be wonderful. And then March 2026 will be the Golden Triangle on Rishikesh again, and Jaipur, which is also incredible.
Angela Vassallo (52:02.973)
Wow.
Angela Vassallo (52:06.397)
That sounds amazing. Yes!
Angela Vassallo (52:18.269)
I saw some of your videos, it just looked magnificent. All of them do, so yeah. How exciting.
Emma Walkinshaw (52:22.444)
Yeah, it is. And I often say that India too, it's either a hell yes or it's a no. Like it's very polarizing. it's, yeah, you either feel drawn to it and called to it or you don't.
Angela Vassallo (52:30.769)
Yeah.
Angela Vassallo (52:37.063)
think if you're gonna do something like India, you're better off doing it in a group, something that's already been planned out and it's organized for you. You've thought ahead, you're taking them to all the best places, you're taking care of them, you're in a safe group. I think that's what I would prefer if I went to India or one of those places that it's so big, like you don't know what to do there. And like you said, not necessarily your husband might wanna go. So then if you go with the women then...
Emma Walkinshaw (52:42.124)
Yes.
Angela Vassallo (53:05.713)
You get the best of both worlds there, you know, so brilliant.
Emma Walkinshaw (53:06.04)
Yeah, it's fabulous. So yes. Yeah, so that's what I've got happening in India. And of course, my embody me program starts in April as well. So that's coming. So check out the website and you'll see the details there. Yeah.
Angela Vassallo (53:16.572)
right?
Angela Vassallo (53:20.825)
Amazing. And I just really encourage women to jump onto these things and really, you know, be a part of Emma's programs and check them out because, you know, she's doing such great things in the world. And if you do have this, you know, this we all do, like I said, it doesn't matter. You've got these, you know, these whole story going on with your health and your, you know, your body and your body image. And, you know, you wanting to come back to yourself. You're just such a beautiful, calming person. And, know, you're full of alignment and you just, you know, spread so much joy and
hope and I think that women can really benefit a lot from being a part of your program. So thank you again to have you on the show. It's been amazing. I know that the audience will love this and we'll get so much out of it. I know I did. So thanks again, Emma, and you take care and I'll speak to you soon. Thanks for everyone being on the show today. we'll see you next time in Harmony in the Hustle. Bye for now.
Emma Walkinshaw (54:02.638)
Thanks, Angela.
